BP Recording Project

Paul Warren's picture

Let's get the ball rolling. Please chime in with a genre request list (from favorite to least favorite) and we'll nail that down first. We'll go with the genre with the highest overall vote if that's Ok. As soon as a few votes come in I'll post a possible tune in that genre and we can go from there.

1) Dance/Disco/Hip Hop
2) R&B
3) Reggae
4) Rock
5) Blues
6) Funk
7) Pop
8) Fusion
9) Jazz
10) Anything else

Hazz's picture

I'm thinkin' . . . hmmmmmm .

I'm thinkin' . . . hmmmmmm . . . polka or perhaps one of them thar funky timed country songs?
Seriuosly though, what ever you want to do I am game. The only one on the list that I have not yet played (at least in the last 15yrs) is Reggae.

HAZ

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BoH's picture

Oooooo, I'm getting excited!

Oooooo, I'm getting excited! Weeeeeee....

Bring on 'da Funk!!!

BoH

Hazz's picture

Another option, rather then

Another option, rather then each of us holding down the rhythm section, why not each of us takes a certain section of the song and only plays that part?
You would have the choice of just holdin' down the rhythm section or you could do some solo style riffs over it.

The catch however, each part needs to blend with the others. So whom ever gets the intro would post theirs up first, then the next person would do their part but could take it in any direction they wanted BUT as I said, the beginning of their section needs to fit with the end of the previous section.

We would need to find out who would be taking part in it so the bed track can be long enough. Heck, if we can get 6 or 7 players and give each 45 to 60 sec slots it could be a sweet lil' ditty. Would defenetly be interestin'. We could call it the "BP.com Fat Bottom Boogie" (I think I just came up with my next collab)

Maybe I am gettin ahead of my self here but it is just an idea.

HAZ

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wheat's picture

How about a

How about a best-of-both-worlds approach:

1. Everybody records a bassline (or whatever else) for the entire song
2. Everybody saves an mp3 of the whole and also the bass line (and any additional instruments) as separate mp3(s)
3. Anyone who wants to can do a remix using the best of whatever lines he/she likes

I'm thinking of high-quality mp3s to save disc space, and make it easy to preview things via the web, but we could use wav files, if necessary. Maybe we'll pilot it with mp3s and use wavs next time if it doesn't work.

Wheat

Paul Warren's picture

How about this? Haz doesn't

How about this? Haz doesn't mind what genre we do, except reggae since he hasn't done that for a while. Bo likes funk but that's low on my list since I have no slap abilities. Wheat is leaning to the rock end of things. Me, I like styles with space and a strong beat. So, how about a style that combines aspects of many styles?

I'm thinking a little Curtis Mayfield-ish. While blues grounded, it isn't traditional blues. It's a bit funky and soulful and with a good driving drum track it could rock a bit too. Also, CM used lots of minor chords so there's lots of room for minor pentatonics, blues scale etc.

To save time, I'll start working on an example ASAP. As soon as I have something suitable I'll post an mp3 for review and then if you like it we'll settle the recording details. Ok with everyone?

BTW, for this one let's stick with the first idea of just getting the same song with different basslines. Since we'll always have the tracks we can do something different later if desired.

wheat's picture

I'm totally down. I love

I'm totally down. I love Curtis Mayfield. Something in a blues/funk/soul direction will suit me just fine.

Thanks, Paul,

Wheat

Hazz's picture

I do not mind Reggae, it has

I do not mind Reggae, it has just been a while since I played any so anything works for me.

Sounds good Paul. I figure you shuold just pick something like yer gonna do and we could work with it.

HAZ

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Paul Warren's picture

Sorry Haz, I didn't mean to

Sorry Haz, I didn't mean to imply you didn't like Reggae, just awknowledging that you hadn't done any in a while and it wasn't at the top of your list.

I'll assume for the moment that Bo wouldn't mind something CM-ish and go with that. I'll start 'auditioning' BiaB songs today. Hopefully I'll have a suitable mp3 to start with in a day or so.

Paul Warren's picture

One other thing, when I have

One other thing, when I have a suitable tune I'll also make the chord chart available in pdf form. No need to all have to figure out the chords by ear. : )

wheat's picture

Very kind of you, Paul.

Very kind of you, Paul.

Wheat

Paul Warren's picture

Ok, I hope you all like this

Ok, I hope you all like this one. It is a little jazzier than I originally intended but it has some great potential. First of all the melody is alright and the RealDrums track worked well. Best of all there's tons of room for a great bassline. It'll work with slap or finger style equally well.

Here's the song, titled 'Carelessly Sophisticated' and the chord chart.

Now, as for the details of doing the recording, I suggest you download the song and import it into whatever program you use (eg: Audacity). Record your bass line on a second track, this way it should be in sync with the masters. Export the bass track as a wav file, not mp3, and zip the wav file. E-mail it to me and I'll mix it with the masters. I'll e-mail the final mix back to you for approval and you can post it.

Does that sound Ok? Let me know if there are any problems.

Hazz's picture

Got 'em. Nice tune that you

Got 'em.
Nice tune that you can do a few different things with. I wont get to it until next week though, goin' outta town.

HAZ

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Paul Warren's picture

I agree there's a lot you

I agree there's a lot you can do with that. Funky slap, soulful finger style, probably even a walking line. Your imagination's the only limit. I think it'll be a challenge, I hope I'm up for it. : )

BTW, there's no time pressure. It'll take me at least a week to work out a line and rehearse it enough to record it.

Hazz's picture

I have not had the time to

I have not had the time to record anything but while the kids were bangin' the drums and keyboard I did play some and came up with 3 different lines so far. When I get some free time next week I will recod 'em.

Good choice of tune. I may even try and toss in a metal bass line and keep everything on the B and E string :P

HAZ

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Paul Warren's picture

Of all the accompanying

Of all the accompanying styles I could have thought of metal isn't one of them. This from a guy who likes to play 'Proud Mary' reggae style. : )

Now I'd be interested in hearing that one. It would have to change the feel of the tune a fair bit but who knows. Could be the start of a new genre. Metal Soul? hahaha

Hazz's picture

I got me a question about

I got me a question about the chord chart cause my timing seems to be a bit off. The way I am reading it is as follows

F2 for one measure
C7sus for one measure
Fmaj7 for two measures
Eb for two beats/F for two beats
etc., etc., etc.

Is that correct?

HAZ

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Paul Warren's picture

That's correct Haz. Exactly

That's correct Haz. Exactly as you have written.

That chord chart could show, at most, 4 chords to a measue, 1 per beat. So the Eb is on beat 1 and the F is on beat 3.

Hazz's picture

I will have to check if I

I will have to check if I lined the track up properly. I did it in a hurry and a track from one DAW may line up just a hair differently in another so I will check that 'cause the timing is off but it is only off by like a 16th count.

HAZ

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Paul Warren's picture

You may also have just a

You may also have just a touch of audio latency. The analog to digital conversion, while fast, isn't instantaneous. Did you have any VST or DXi plugins, such as a compressor, operating on the incoming signal? That's a big source of latency.

Hazz's picture

At the time I imported the

At the time I imported the file I did not line it up so it was throwin' me off and I did not even think about that at the time.
As far as latancy, I can have 4 or 5 VST, DXi or a combination of the two goin at the same time on 16 different tracks and there is no difference between that and having no plugins at all on my system.

HAZ

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Paul Warren's picture

Wow, fast system. I'm using

Wow, fast system. I'm using a Celeron 400 with 384MB RAM under Win98 so 1 plugin on the recording track will throw it off by a couple of milliseconds. : (

Hazz's picture

Yeah my system is a bit fast

Yeah my system is a bit fast only for the fact that when I was really into gamming over the net I built a system that would have no lag or if it did it was not noticeable and the games put a bigger strain on the system then the recording does. It also helps to have someone in the family that can get me deals on the hardware I want.

HAZ

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wheat's picture

I'm jealous. Here's my

I'm jealous. Here's my heap: Dell Inspiron 5160 Laptop. Later this year, I'm turning it into one of these.

Wheat

Paul Warren's picture

Another thought, we should

Another thought, we should wait until all the tracks are done before posting any of them. That way we won't influence each other.

wheat's picture

I don't mind being

I don't mind being influenced. Anyone who doesn't want to be can just not listen to them until after posting their own tracks. That would be my plan.

Cheers,

Wheat

Paul Warren's picture

Well that's fine too wheat,

Well that's fine too wheat, I was simply thinking we'd get a better idea of the creative process if the bass lines were done without any reference to one another. You know, the bass line would show what each bassist 'heard' in the tune. If you hear the tune with a soul style line it may then be locked in your mind as a soul tune, thus you may unconsciously do another soul line.

How did you find the tune wheat. Does it seem good to you? I think there's a huge space for the bass in this one. Personally, I feel the bass will make the song.

wheat's picture

You're probably right, Paul.

You're probably right, Paul. It would be good to have one person in charge of it and make sure we don't influence one another. I'm just worried that we'd slow up the head of steam that seems to be behind this project at the moment.

I'll go with whatever everyone wants to do.

Wheat

Paul Warren's picture

Same here, I'll go with

Same here, I'll go with whatever the majority wants. For now I'll assume we're going to post the final tracks after they are all done. By all I mean the 4 of us that are onboard now and anyone who joins in soon.

I don't want to lose the steam we have now either. This project will be an eye opener I think. It'll give us a real idea how the creative process works. I'm already looking forward to a discussion of how we all get motivated to come up with bass lines.

wheat's picture

I think it's going to be a

I think it's going to be a blast. If it goes well, maybe we'll do it on a regular basis--make it a regular part of what we do around here. And I'm as exited about discussing the lines and hearing why people did what they did--getting inside their heads and creative processes--as any thing else.

Wheat

Paul Warren's picture

If it goes well and the

If it goes well and the technical complexities aren't too bad then it might make a great site feature. Sort of a song of the month kind of thing with a discussion among the contributors. We could invite some of the AB bretheren to come over and participate. I'd be up for it. Lets' see how it goes and maybe you can set up a regular forum or something.

wheat's picture

The tune: very cool. A bit

The tune: very cool. A bit of a challenge, what with all the changes and those damned Eb's (frickin horn players!). Very cool vibe. Thanks a lot for writing out the chart. That'll help. I'm eager to get cracking on it.

Wheat

Paul Warren's picture

I agree it's challenging. I

I agree it's challenging. I was tempted to transpose it up a half step to play off the open E string but I didn't for two reasons. The fact it is challenging and because it is within the range of drop D tuning if anyone wants to do that (I'm not going to BTW).

As for all the changes, that's something that used to intimidate me but lately I've ignored the complexity of chord changes and let my ear find a groove that works over the changes. This seems to work well for me. I already have an outline of the bass line I want to record. I'm just going to rehearse it some more and determine where it's going.

Paul Warren's picture

I see SweetBabyJames on

I see SweetBabyJames on line. SBJ, how about getting involved in this recording project? We'd love to have another bass line to hear.

Paul Warren's picture

BoH, did you find the song

BoH, did you find the song and chord chart to download? Is it Ok with you?

BoH's picture

Here!!

Yeah brother Paul, I'm here. I checked in earlier today but had to step out before I got a chance to hear the tune. I'm about to have a listen though. Hey, thanks for working on this. I'm excited to hear what everyone else does.

It matters neither way to me if we post our results when they are done or if we wait until everyone's finished. PM me with whatever you guys decide.

Bo

Paul Warren's picture

Hi Bo, glad to see you got

Hi Bo, glad to see you got the song file. I'm very interested to hear the others as well. If you don't mind either then I think we'll post all the versions together. This way we won't be influenced in any way. Plus it'll be more of a surprise when we hear the results.

You can e-mail the bass line to me when you're finished and I'll mix it with the masters. I'll e-mail the finished track back for approval before posting. Or if you prefer I can e-mail the masters to you if you want to do your own mix. Just let me know. Same goes for everyone else too of course.

wheat's picture

If space is a concern (as

If space is a concern (as most email servers strip large attachments) let me know and I'll create some FTP space with a password we can all share for moving things around.

Wheat

Paul Warren's picture

Thanks Wheat, we might need

Thanks Wheat, we might need that. My e-mail allows large attachments and I have a few MB of web storage but we will need somewhere to host the finished files.

wheat's picture

No problem. I have lots of

No problem. I have lots of space. I'll set up an account for you guys. Eventually, I think I'll be able to set up the site you you can attach files to posts, which will take care of everything.

Wheat

BoH's picture

Sounds great. Well, I'm off

Sounds great. Well, I'm off to work on it. Is there a deadline on this? Should we agree on one?

BoH

Paul Warren's picture

I don't see there should be

I don't see there should be a deadline but it seems most of us are looking forward to hearing the results and discussing the creative process. Based on that would it be unrealistic to have something by the beginning of next week? I know I could be ready by then if I can get the intro figured out. Grrrr, I hate intros.

wheat's picture

You mean the 22nd? I might

You mean the 22nd? I might be able to pull that off.

Wheat

BoH's picture

Yeah, I'm diggin' that!

Yeah, I'm diggin' that! I'll have something up ASAP.

BoH

Paul Warren's picture

Has anyone heard from BoH?

Has anyone heard from BoH? Has he found the song?

Paul Warren's picture

Well, I have a working bass

Well, I have a working bass line. I laid down two test tracks last night to listen back and I liked what I heard, for the most part anyway. The second track was mostly error free apart from some fretbuzz from my Tune bass. I'm not sure if I mind the buzz or not, I'll have to give it another listen tonight.

Still can't get the intro though. I'll have to work on that and over dub it when I've got a good line. I'm also going to try and over dub some chords for the outro. I haven't tried that before. If I can't get chords to work maybe double stops might do it.

How's everyone else doing?

wheat's picture

This frickin syllabus I'm

This frickin syllabus I'm trying to hammer out and some other paper work that has to be in the mail tomorrow is killing me. I haven't touched my bass today, and that makes me sad.

Wheat

Hazz's picture

You might get it done much

You might get it done much faster Wheat if you used a pencil, pen or did it on the 'puter rather then using a hammer.
Heck I have not touched my bass in 5 days. Dang vacations always interrupt somethin'. ;^P

HAZ

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wheat's picture

Damn, you're right: wrong

Damn, you're right: wrong tool for the job.

Wheat ;)

Hazz's picture

I just returned home

I just returned home yesterday so I have not done a thing on this'n.

I know we are doin out own thing on this but you could leave the bass out for the intro.

HAZ

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Paul Warren's picture

LOL!!! Leaving the intro out

LOL!!! Leaving the intro out is my fall-back plan. Maybe I could hit an F and let it ring for 4 bars. hahahaha

Hazz's picture

Yeah, I like to play through

Yeah, I like to play through the intro as well but I have done a few tunes for some people lately that do not want any bass in the intro so I thought bout doing that with this peice as well but then thought "Why should I? It is for us to do what we want."

Needless to say I will put something in the intro.

HAZ

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Hazz's picture

WOW!! 23 new comments since

WOW!! 23 new comments since I last posted. So I guess it is only the four of us. That's cool.

Now I need to go take a look at see what all the chattin' is a bout.

HAZ

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Paul Warren's picture

Wheat is suggesting that if

Wheat is suggesting that if this project goes well and the technical difficulties aren't too bad maybe we can do this on a regular basis. If that's the case I'd think we could attract a few more people from AB to participate.

Speaking of technical difficulties, how do you think it would work in the future if we just used the mp3 (decoded to a wav file obviously) as one track and added the bass as another track. I know the sound quality isn't quite as good since mp3 is a lossy compression but it should be good enough to showcase our bass lines right? That way we could each record and upload our finished song independantly without needing the master tracks.

Of course that would require a top quality mix of the bass-less version but that isn't impossible.

wheat's picture

My DAW works fine with mp3s

My DAW works fine with mp3s and I think that would be good enough for what we are doing here. If we wanted to do a higher-quality mix, we could have you share the .wav file of the backing track and we could each do a mix-down of our own to mp3. Keeping it decentralized like that will speed things up and save you some work.

So I'd vote for trying it out with just the mp3 and see how far that goes.

And I definitely think we could do this on a quarterly or even monthly basis if people enjoy it. Consider this the pilot program for it. And maybe I can find some Drupal extensions that will facilitate this sort of work.

BTW, I did my first serious work with the track tonight. I haven't recorded anything yet, but I played through it quite a few times, trying out various lines for the various parts. It's fun. I'm enjoying it.

Cheers,

Wheat

Paul Warren's picture

Ok Wheat, I'm good with

Ok Wheat, I'm good with that. For this 'pilot' project I'm happy to do the mix using the master tracks for anyone that wants me to. I am also happy to e-mail the masters to anyone if that's what they want (although THAT'LL be a big attachment. lol). Or just use the mp3 if that works. After all we are just trying to showcase the bass lines not record a commercial hit.

I'm really up for doing this regularly, perhaps once a month. I have already learned a lot from this exercise and I think I'd continue to learn from doing it again.

As I mentioned earlier, I think we could get more participation if we post a thread on AB and invite some of the others to get involved.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to hearing the other bass lines.

wheat's picture

Yeah, next time I'll also

Yeah, next time I'll also post it on the front page of BP as a news item. That'll help draw in folks who don't dive straight into the forums.

Wheat

BoH's picture

Longest Ever???

Could this be the longest thread to date on BP?? It's a new record!

BoH "wasting time in the frozen south"

Paul Warren's picture

Yep, it's a long one. Seems

Yep, it's a long one. Seems there's some real interest in this project.

So the cold front reached all the way down south did it? We are just starting to warm up to more normal temps now. We still have snow on the ground though, yuk.

BoH's picture

Yeah, the weather skunked us

Yeah, the weather skunked us pretty good. South of Dallas, in Austin, it's even worse. I'm off work today, but wonder of wonders, Guitar Center was OPEN! I thought, "hey, what an opportunity." So I went down and enjoyed being alone in a nice, quiet, music store. I didn't let it stay quiet for long though.

Oh, and I played a '51 P-bass reissue (is it a reissue?) today. Fanstastic sounding bass. It doesn't have a lot of tone options and is basically a one trick pony, but man, it does that one trick VERY well.

I also got to play one of those new Fender practice amps (B-DEC??) with the drum loops. What a fantastic piece of practice gear. It was nice; drum loops, FX, models, all kinds of things. Handy little amp to have.

BoH

wheat's picture

Man, snow day at Guitar

Man, snow day at Guitar Center! That does sound like heaven. I hadn't heard of either of those Fender products.

I tested out a bass with a little Ampeg practice amp. The sound didn't do much for me, but it had a built-in tuner that was amazingly handy (as it was always on).

I use a Peavey Microbass practice amp. Good cheap option. But that Fender sounds sweet.

Wheat

wheat's picture

I miss snow. They don't

I miss snow. They don't have snow in South Carolina. We had pretty snow back in NW Arkansas.

Wheat

Paul Warren's picture

Well I finished my bass

Well I finished my bass track last night. I overdubbed an intro and in the process learned how to time shift a track and how to use a volume envelope in Audacity. It's easy when you know how. hahaha

I decided I'm not going to try for perfection. The buzz from my Tune bass sounds natural so it stays in. Also There are places where my playing could be a lot better, especially the intro where I tried some faster rhythms, but it's good enough to hear how the bass line goes. And the overall sound seems good.

How are the rest of you doing? I hope it's still an interesting and challenging project.

BoH's picture

Starting to Brainstorm

I haven't done a bloomin' thing on this yet besides listen to the tune a few times to try and get a feel. I am starting to toy with ideas in my head.

BoH

Hazz's picture

Seems to have slowed a bit

Seems to have slowed a bit in here. I finally came up with one I like, done both finger and slap style. I would prefer the slap but my wrist just does not want to cooperate with me. I may post it anyways. I did record some earlier and right in the middle of the song the evil (you should have seen the look in his eyes, kinda like he knew exactly what he was doing and probably did >;^I ) lil' bear crawled under the 'puter desk and hit the reset button.

Hopefully I get some time later on to give it a go agin. The kiddos are nappin' right now.

HAZ

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Paul Warren's picture

Yeah, it's been a bit slower

Yeah, it's been a bit slower here. I don't think anyone's losing interest though (I hope). It's probably everyone is in the midst of developing their bass lines and hopefully preparing to record them.

I have tried a couple of times to get a better take of mine but the one I recorded first is still the best. I'm going to try a couple of times more while waiting for everyone to finish then I'll go with the best recording.

Hopefully we can post the results soon, maybe this weekend. We'll see. Have to get FTP details from Wheat too.

BoH's picture

I've been on, but haven't

I've been on, but haven't really posted anything much. I'm still working on a line and still working on nailing the feel of the tune.

It's been fun so far. I have a VERY rough draft ready.

BoH

wheat's picture

I'm totally still down for

I'm totally still down for it. I hope to have something ready this week. If I can't swing that, I'll work on it this weekend. I'm rewiring my studio tomorrow. My phantom buzz comes and goes. I hope to track it down. Tonight was the first time I've gotten all my fx together in a while (I often practice without an amp, with just a chord, or just the Zoom--and mostly as a tuner). But tonight I strung the new Boss ODB-3 into the Zoom 506 and then into the Boomerang and had a blast playing around with mixing clean and distorted sounds.

But, man. My strings are frickin dead! I've been needing to restring and intonate my bass for a while now. That's gotta happen. The fretless is even worse off. So they both need a restringing and a bridge adjustment. A little TLC for both.

And I need to either sell my six-string bass or get it out and play it once in a while.

Wheat

Hazz's picture

You could just send the

You could just send the sixer my way for safe keeping and I will even keep her in tune and shinny?

HAZ

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wheat's picture

Even better, you could buy

Even better, you could buy her from me for a very reasonable price. I will autograph her, if you like (yeah, right). The girl in question is a Carvin LB-76 (maple neck-through with an ebony board and koa body sides, gold hardware, active pubs with an on-board 3-band EQ). Nice player, kinda tight string spacing for my tastes.

Pictures coming soon!

I'll through in a free, unopened set of D'Addario XLs and a Carvin hardshell case.

Wheat

Hazz's picture

Well I finally got a line

Well I finally got a line nailed down, now I just need the time to record it.
Hows everyone else commin' along?

HAZ

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wheat's picture

Well, I ordered some new

Well, I ordered some new strings. Does that count? I think I also found the source of the "phantom buzz" (at least, this latest incarnation. He can assume many shapes).

Wheat

Paul Warren's picture

Ready whenever you are. I

Ready whenever you are. I have a recording that's good enough to use.

Hazz's picture

Just thinkin' . . . Paul,

Just thinkin' . . .
Paul, shall we send you dry bass tracks and then let you know which effects if any we used to get the sound we want or would you prefer we record (or add before exporting) the effects we used into the track?

Only reason I thought of that is that one of my tracks will be dry and center but on another I have some reverb, chorus and delay and it is panned to the left just a bit. I guess I could ask it like this, do you want to deal with all that goes with mixing or just drop the track in and line it up?

To save ya the hassle I could just mix my lines with the track you gave us since we are not to concerned with getting a CD quality mix but rather just to hear and talk about the different lines we come up with.

HAZ

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wheat's picture

Re: Just thinkin' . . .

HAZ wrote:

To save ya the hassle I could just mix my lines with the track you gave us since we are not to concerned with getting a CD quality mix but rather just to hear and talk about the different lines we come up with.

Yeah, I think that's the idea we're going for. Just do your own mix and export to mp3. That's all we need for now. If you want to keep your WAV files around in case you ever want to do a CD-quality mix, that's fine. But for just sharing with others here on the site, it's overkill.

Wheat

Paul Warren's picture

I did offer to do the mix

I did offer to do the mix and will honor the offer but as wheat says we aren't trying for CD quality. So if you can get a suitable mix with the original mp3 track that would be the easiest route. However, if you'd like me to do it I'd say add the FX and pan the track the way you'd like it and I'll mix it with the masters.

Hazz's picture

This is not a very polished

This is not a very polished version and I will post a full length feature later but I thought this was cool with an up and comming vocalist. It did make it hard to record, let alone play, with the vocals and you will hear why.

Best to right click and save as.
Recording Project w/vocals

I think I need to post this over at AB as well.

HAZ

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Spiky1's picture

the kid can sing!

What a cool idea !